Crisis of Faith

For those who wish to share how your faith has helped you deal with the suicide of another perons -- if you can do so in a non-preachy way.

Re: Crisis of Faith

Postby angelseeker » Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:29 pm

please stop blaming God.!each one who took their own lives made that choice themselves, with or without mental illness involved. instead,blame this disgusting species of a human race. !God gave us free will and all we do is abuse it.why did our loved ones turn to suicide as a choice? too much stress with having to juggle work, home, relationships, making a living, keeping up with the joneses,chasing after the perfect consumer based life in a ridiculously overpressured contemporary world.chasing after fame, self gratification.who invented the corporate capitalist business system which works people to death only to become more riddled in debt and hopeless! so dont blame God for the greed of the human species.. i am sure God weeps everyday when he looks at how we behave.my gf killed herself to punish her family. do you think her death has changed anything? of course it hasnt. they are still the most non caring revolting people i have ever met.they killed her. not God!
and for Gods sake, stop asking "why me"? why areany of us here?would you really really care and ask " why them'' with the same intensity if you were blissfully happy and it happened to your neighbour.?i am sorry, i just get really angry when people blame God.Go and google ' why do bad things happen to good people"....read the judaist theory and not only christian theories. if i have offended anyone with my post. tough. !handle it!i lost my gf to suicide becos she lived her life negligently as a result from being abused by her parents. HEr parents. not God! her parents!
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Re: Crisis of Faith

Postby booboolewis » Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:03 pm

Pegasus - Amen....When I thought so many times why God had taken my babies, I would pray and pray and pray...and begin to realize that such horrible experiences had to be the work of the devil...for I don't believe in an angry, punishing God...and I have felt the same since my husband's loss....

Angelseeker - "would you really really care and ask " why them'' with the same intensity if you were blissfully happy and it happened to your neighbour?"....I had posted recently in response to how people who have not experienced this tragedy/nightmare cannot fully comprehend what we have gone through....I think that, if "it happened to my neighbor," I would ask "why them?", but I would never be able to fully comprehend what they would be going through....

...and about free will - I'm a bit confused about it...I truly believe that my husband suffered from mental illness for a while, but he would drift back-and-forth between reality and confusion, esp when, in a tirade he left the house and took his life, but he had the frame of mind to block our dog off before going outside (which signifies to me that he knew that I would run outside when I heard the shot and that the police would be coming) and the fact that he said in a phone message that he "knew what he was doing was wrong"....and I kept asking my mother, where was his guardian angel? i want to know, where was his guardian angel? My mother kept telling me that he didn't listen to his guardian angel...but I wouldn't accept this answer and said, "no....."...but after I listened to his message in full and he said that he "knew what he was doing was wrong," I began to believe that his guardian angel, to whom I prayed to so many, many times, did try to convince him to not do it....but that a darker force pushed him over, whether that be mental illness or not...

...not sure if any of this makes sense....would love to hear others' opinions about this...
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Re: Crisis of Faith

Postby natesmom » Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:56 pm

a very well thought out perspective Pegasus.
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Re: Crisis of Faith

Postby ScottsMom » Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:53 pm

Blaming God is a gut reaction not eell thought out by people wanting answers. It is also a process in figuring out where we fit in then and now. I think most realize soon after that God didn't cause this and is not punishing anyone.

Our loved ones were killed by pain regardless of the ME's findings or reasons given in suicide notes. They did not choose anything - they opened the only door available to their pain paralyzed minds. Its not retaliation they seek, its relief.

My neighbor did suicide and I did ask, why them? why anyone? It defies our nature and eludes understanding in any circumstance. . . and begs understanding. That understanding heals us and the defamed names of those we lose.

None of us can ever hope to change the way we are treated as survivors until we change the negative words even we use to discuss it. As we move through shock, anger, blame, questioning . . .all of it we must be kind to the treatment and character lent to a death resulting from illness no different from a heart attack. I know we use phrases or words as we have learned the, but isn't it time to call things what they are?

Just my experience and what I've learned.
Now, lets all think a bit and be kind to eachother, the angry and the hopeful all have value here but lets not judge or point fingers. We all have feelings and all are valid in their moment. Lets validate and not violate. (((((((((((HUGS ALL AROUND))))))))))
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Re: Crisis of Faith

Postby Faith » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:09 am

I believe that it was my son's will to leave this life, because he was in so much pain. That God's will here on earth truly has to be our own. That God didn't take him from me, but welcomed him into heaven, as soon as he passed on. I know Donnie was a lost soul, and now he is a Spirit flying free. Of course this is just how I feel. We all have our own thoughts on this.
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Re: Crisis of Faith

Postby samwong » Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:27 am

just to share my faith.

while wating for my mum body in the mourtury, i sense someone standing beside me. i cannot see but somehow i was told it was Jesus.
I ask him show me the sign by rain that my mum was with him. Suddenly it rain.
Few hour later, i have doubt again. I cry when i can still see the blood at the drain. (my mum fall from height). i told God, rain to show me Mum with God..
It rain.
Few days later, while i am smoking, i notice past few days no star. so i ask God to show me star . Then i found 1 star at the corner of the sky.

and yes, I HATE DEVIL .
They coem adn deceive steal and kill. I HATE THEM!
I LOVE MY MUM! SEE YOU IN HEAVEN WHEN MY TIME HAS COME.
GOD, Please show your loves to all.
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Re: Crisis of Faith

Postby Matnet4 » Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:48 pm

thank you samwong for sharing that.......God is so real, and so good, to send you those signs.....He has
done the same for me.....I still ask Him to keep sending them. I'm very sorry for the loss of your Mum.
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aunt of Elysia, 22 Left us on 1/16/10
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Re: Crisis of Faith

Postby jamjam91 » Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:58 am

I've started to wonder lately, if I were sitting face-to-face talking with God, what would it be like? What would I say? What would we talk about?

I imagine I’d be too afraid to speak, but if I had the courage, I’d probably be speaking through many tears. I’d ask Him how he could forgive such a wretched person as me, for all those big mistakes I’ve made so far in my life. I’d also ask how this all came to be, this whole mess that we are all too familiar with. I mean, He knew it was going to happen, long before it ever did. But why did He plan this for our lives? Did He really think we’d be strong enough? Because I’m really not strong enough. I can barely stand my own. How exactly did this happen, though? Did He know dad was tired and couldn’t keep going? Did He give up on dad, or did dad give up on Him? Was He mad at dad for his choice? Or was He accepting of my dad, knowing everything he went through?

I’d ask God more specifically about dad too. Is he doing better now? Is he out of his pain now? Can he see us from where he is now? Is he watching over us now? How does he feel about the pain we all feel now because of this? If there is anything he could say to us, what would it be? Are we making him proud/ happy when we try to move forward, or do we make him upset that we are trying to? Is he glad that I’m back in band again? Or better yet, is God happy that I’m playing again? Why didn’t dad leave a note? What were his last thoughts? Were they of us or of his troubles? Did he think that none of us loved him? Were we not reason enough for him to stick around a while longer?

If I could, I’d go on to ask God how He possibly thinks I can handle this. I’ve been through enough as is. My life was already hard enough with me squeaking by at times. But now? Now I can barely face the day. I just want to run far away and hide from it all. Heaven only knows I can’t face this anymore. Is God mad at me for my recent stupid decisions too? But then again, He already knew from the moment He created me, didn't He? So, He knows how everything will turn out for me and everyone else. When it rains, it pours. Unfortunately, the sky just won't clear up and the sun rarely peaks out. Oh, how I miss the warm sun that brightened my days.
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Re: Crisis of Faith

Postby samwong » Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:23 am

Hi Jamjam,

I can understand . I too have so many WHy in my head and only God can answer and why he allowed this to happen. HE could have made me wake up and stop my mum for jumping. He could have do 100 ways to stop it. But no, he did not. We can only put our trust on him. Remember , he is a good God and his thoughs are higher than our. I really do not know why he can allow my mum such a kind person to have this ending. But i cannot dont trust him, cos i cannot LIVE without HIM.

I pray everyday to him to take care of my mum in heaven with him... i believe i will united one day with her... till that day come.

I hope peace be with you soon...
I LOVE MY MUM! SEE YOU IN HEAVEN WHEN MY TIME HAS COME.
GOD, Please show your loves to all.
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Re: Crisis of Faith

Postby StillCrying » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:41 am

It is amazing to really and honestly know that I am not alone. Before my dad died, I was always up and down with my faith in God, when things were going good, I was in love with Him and when things were crappy, I wondered "why me?", Then when my dad died, people would ask me about being angry, and I was more angry at God then my dad. I love the song "Praise Him in the Storm" by Casting Crowns, listen to it, it will make a difference! I now ask myself, "why NOT me", I am no more special to God then the person down the street, so why should I wish them the crap that I got dealt? I think it has me stronger as a person---I know that God loves me even though sometimes I ask Him if he really does since things are crappy. I took a few years away from Him, but I am now back to praising Him, knowing that no matter what, no matter who leaves me in my life, He will always be there. Here's the song I mentioned above, I hope it provides comfort. Listen to it, close your eyes and listen.
I was sure by now
God You would have reached down
And wiped our tears away
Stepped in and saved the day
But once again, I say "Amen", and it's still raining

As the thunder rolls
I barely hear Your whisper through the rain
"I'm with you"
And as Your mercy falls
I raise my hands and praise the God who gives
And takes away

[Chorus:]
And I'll praise You in this storm
And I will lift my hands
For You are who You are
No matter where I am
And every tear I've cried
You hold in Your hand
You never left my side
And though my heart is torn
I will praise You in this storm

I remember when
I stumbled in the wind
You heard my cry to you
And you raised me up again
My strength is almost gone
How can I carry on
If I can't find You

But as the thunder rolls
I barely hear You whisper through the rain
"I'm with you"
And as Your mercy falls
I raise my hands and praise the God who gives
And takes away

[Chorus]

I lift my eyes unto the hills
Where does my help come from?
My help comes from the Lord
The Maker of Heaven and Earth
LIVE WELL, LAUGH OFTEN, LOVE MUCH
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